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lone gunman Langley how do I explain how

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I'm here without spoiling everything

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let's just say Glen Morgan who

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originally created the lone gunman has

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come up with an amazing brilliant way

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that brings Langley back from the dead

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does anyone ever die in science fiction

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is lighly alive Lone Gunmen Langley you

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and I buried him in Arlington with the

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buyers and frickin you didn't answer my

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question

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normally the gunman came in hack into

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something go Mulder here's the access

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code to that top-secret facility he'd

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run in beat up some aliens save the day

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this time it's all about Mulder and

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Scully finding Langley knowing Langley

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breadcrumbs birth date as long to grave

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diggers work at night

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how's this happening how am i back for

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old friends of richard light man we

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received a message they're watching who

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is watching nightly state of mind Bell

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is well it's confusion for sure Langly

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it smaller and snowing yeah I'm thrilled

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to be here

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reviving Langley back for the day am i

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dead that's the whole question of the

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welcome to somewhere in the skies I'm

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your host Ryan Sprague today I mark one

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off the old bucket list I am speaking to

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one of the nicest actors out there about

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his recent appearance on last week's

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brand new episode of the x-files you

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know him as the long-haired bespectacled

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conspiracy theorist hacker Richard Ringo

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Langley that's right I'm talking to Dean

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Haglund we talked all about his return

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to the show his thoughts on UFOs and we

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even discussed the future for the

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x-files and the lone gunman so without

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further ado here's my conversation with

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Dean Haglund one of the most memorable

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x-files I should say some of the most

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memorable x-files episodes came in the

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form of the lone gunman everyone knows

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it everyone agrees I'm sure for the most

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part so you know every week we waited to

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see if they'd show up to help Mulder and

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Scully and their pursuits and the same

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and today we have one of the gunmen here

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to discuss his episode this past week

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and that is langley himself Dean Haglund

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Dean thank you so much for joining me

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today my pleasure thanks for doing this

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absolutely I know we're almost a day

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apart timezone wise so uh and I know

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you're probably getting barage so thank

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you for taking the time to do this my

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pleasure

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well I mean a lot of feedback the your

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episode is aired that episode was

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entitled this we will definitely get

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into that a lot of feedback and it's

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back in true form in many ways and

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included your character making a very

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unique return so before we get into the

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episode itself I'd absolutely love to

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just maybe hear how the experience was

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finding out that you were coming back

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season 10 we can definitely touch on

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that but this was you man this was just

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you so I'd love to hear what you thought

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about when you read this new script well

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you know it was even before I read it I

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was told that Glen Morgan was back and

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of course James Wong and Glen Morgan

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created the Lone Gunmen

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character and the gunman cuz they

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created it right so it was gonna be

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fantastic but of course the question so

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he says really how come back this time

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this place like there was you know I

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just like everyone was excited to to see

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it and of course it was brilliant and

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of interests and you know his library in

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his writing office was always filled

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with so many different subjects you know

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like L do these crazy things so it was

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on the quantum computing d-wave whole

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brain emulation as it's known where you

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can the services now that you can

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a server onto the cloud so that an

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you in an artificial intelligent kind of

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way long after you're dead so Wow that

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like multiplied by a million so that's

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exactly and so yeah so so it's yeah the

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actual services that they're they're out

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there as we talked we're providing you

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somehow emulated by an artificial

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intelligent system and then that

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emulation then continues on your social

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media platforms right so even after

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you're dead you could still be

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right so that it's not that big a jump

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to go well if you have that done

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voluntarily could you have that done

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involuntarily and then your genius is

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then you know mined and utilized for

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nefarious means you know how cool is

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you know spoiler alert from here on out

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see the episode yet but um your return

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to the show this season was much much

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more prevalent than season the season 10

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miniseries so let's go through this if

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a primer on uh how they brought you back

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how this differs from what we saw in the

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comic books by Joe Harris um which was

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yeah but yeah what did what did grand

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morgan decide to do with this one this

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was pretty awesome it was awesome so the

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idea that then Langley along with

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theoretically I say Steve Jobs and and

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all these other geniuses after they die

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or upload it into a cloud server that is

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like you know in the monologuist it's

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like a heaven I designed but including

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my friends who are doing what Patriot

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fans are quite pissed for that joke that

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was glad mortgage by the way I was yeah

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yeah so so we create this world or we're

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trapped basically in this world and I

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manage a way to hack back to real world

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into Mulder's phone to tell them to try

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shut down the server but of course

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have to watch it to the end of yeah so

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so that leaves that open to so you know

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there is now theoretically a sinister

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virtual world that's worse than the

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syndicate of the x-files of

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old you know so so this idea of layers

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x-files was there's always Malay upon

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layer of conspiracy and and all these

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different shadowy characters that would

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come up from tide of time that would you

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know have this ability to keep going

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deeper and deeper and so Glenn just

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added a new layer this virtual world

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that seems even more crazy and dark than

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anything that we'd seen previously

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absolutely and what I thought was really

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interesting is you know we we sort of

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got used to this with the season 10 is

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that the episodes in between our

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sandwich by Carter's you know mythology

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that this what we all as viewers not

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knowing like you did what was coming

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next first to is that this does tie into

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the mythology pretty interestingly and

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I'm sure this is at the end we're gonna

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see of sort of what Glen Morgan was

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going for with this so um I guess my

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question would be what do you think of

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the whole shift in the x-files you know

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we we've had over a decade since the

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show you know left the air and now we

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have this entire new conspiracy that's

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that's happening how do you personally

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feel about where the show has headed and

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yeah what are you thoughts on that well

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I think I like it actually and I think

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it was necessary for the natural growth

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of the show I think there's gonna be a

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lot of potential for exploration to

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which Chris has always said you know

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there's there's more more stuff than

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ever that's relevant to the x-files so I

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think you know even though there was the

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thank you fans and everything at the end

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that Easter Easter egg at the end of the

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first episode of season 11 right sorta

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made it sound like it was all over and

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Jillian said she's out too but she said

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that before that you know I think this

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new layer is really a fascinating way to

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go and it seems rich for for potential

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exploration absolutely yeah I mean we we

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could literally go anywhere at this

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point which at which you like the

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in terms of like what

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the rules are it's a show that sort of

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broke those boundaries time and time

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again that goes with the lone gunman as

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well yeah it's it's fascinating and I

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think it's exciting for viewers who have

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been following it for for so long to be

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like oh you know yeah we do live in a

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new generation some people don't know

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the previous x-files so yeah yeah I

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think it's yeah yeah pretty interesting

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in terms of like it yeah yeah meets

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human I was excited to see where it was

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going so you know one X file to another

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app react for whatever that well how I

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have to ask how was it you know being in

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Australia and having to fly back twice

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now for the revivals of this show how

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how is the filming process been I know

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ten and this new one yeah was that man

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stepping back into those shoes into

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more fun because it was the three of us

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the same crew and all that for this one

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because I'm all on the phone it was it

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maybe three crew members and it was

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and then 6 a.m. we start shooting and so

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all of that you see yeah is like in a

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small room before a lot of the crew I

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didn't see David or Gillian at all

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because their call time was 8:30 and I

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was done by pretty much 6:45 I guess

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that's the whole thing I sure know right

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there yeah well you know that was always

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the thing we were particularly the

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gunmen we were off and you know last on

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the call sheet after they have done UFOs

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and alien blood and you know all sorts

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of special effects the last thing they

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wanted us to do was to sit there not

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know our lines or screw around or

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anything like that so so for the sake of

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the

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x-files Bruce and I would always make

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sure we had our lines down

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WordPerfect ready to go from take one

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you know just because you saw how

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dog-tired these you know crew of 200

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would be after you know stay up all

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night and the production values were so

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huge back in the day and so because I

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was so used to that I came to set new

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all my lines WordPerfect way to you know

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everybody was like oh yeah I think we

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got everything

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oh man that's fast well that's a wrap on

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Dean everyone like well we'll say hi and

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then I was like well I was gonna wait

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around but then my driver said oh no I

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got a whole bunch of other people to

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pick up so you either stay out here all

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day or I take you back to your hotel now

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I'm like well I'm not gonna stay what am

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I gonna do you know it'll just seem

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weird some putz around looking on set so

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so I left it yeah I was back in my hotel

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by 7:30 went back to bed it's like it

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was all a dream I kidding really like

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literally it was like all a dream it was

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it was like hey did I just do that it

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was fantastic yeah I didn't saw some old

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friends of Vancouver and then flew back

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to Australia so it went really really

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smoothly but I know but it was great it

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was like it it's always like riding a

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bike like the characters you know easy

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to get into

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mm-hm and and there was no oh yeah how

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do I do this again it was sort of like

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fast and dreamlike well I have to ask

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Dean how are you one of those people who

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alright so the episode aired and

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immediately every website comes out

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whether their own review every viewer

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has their own opinion do you ever follow

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that stuff online like as it's happening

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or the day after how does that work in

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terms of you as an actor well here's a

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here's something I haven't told anyone

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yet

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I we don't our cable package here in

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Australia doesn't have Fox okay so we

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have to go and dig it up somewhere or

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download it illegally which I am not

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willing to do because theoretically

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that's you know baby my own hand that

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feeds me right so so I got to figure out

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how to see it now that said I have my

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Instagram account that's a little more

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active than my Facebook because Facebook

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I just advertised my podcast the chill

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pack Hollywood hour and then some other

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tidbits here and there and some of my

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and my artwork goes up on my Facebook

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page my the Dean Haglund page not Dean

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Haglund that was such an early adopter I

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just said yes to everyone isn't my five

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thousand friends yeah that happens

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quickly yeah I know

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if you whiz you like oh oh yes okay and

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now you feel bad going oh yeah I'm

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unfriended you because I don't know who

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you are right that's rude so so when

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those threads come in and they I look at

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one or two of them but generally I find

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reviews start making you self-conscious

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and when you become a self-conscious

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actor you're kind of wrecking your own

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ability to act because you should really

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be outside of your head when you're in a

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scene you know you should be in the

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scene and not in your head going hey did

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I say that how you have am I looking

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cool at the moment too right and if you

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if you're reading reviews all of that

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gets into your head you know

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particularly if somebody goes you suck

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forever this flick oh no I suck thank

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you thankfully judgment and self-doubt

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and that's what [\h__\h] so yeah so I tend

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not to positive or negative I tend not

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to read any of reviews mm-hmm I think

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that's a fair assessment I think that's

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a good way to go about it as well that's

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the way we were trained in acting school

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- we were told never never read your

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stuff particularly you know if you're

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doing a play

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mm-hmm you got to do that play every

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night you read something bad that night

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or you read something a bad review

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during the date that night your

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performance is totally gonna be off cuz

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that's gonna be rattling around in your

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head absolutely I mean the organic

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process of a play changing night tonight

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I can imagine it you know it's similar

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to television in some ways even though

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the episode has been filmed it's

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immortalized at that point but right

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yeah I think that's a good point yeah

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either will well in terms of looking at

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cool I'd love to add

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I heard you in another interview say

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that you're filming for this episode you

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were literally staring into the lens of

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the camera the whole time

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I can only imagine as an actor that had

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to be tough yeah for sure well not just

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the lens they put a filter over it that

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was reflecting back at me

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so I'm actually staring almost into a

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mirror saying the lines and the the you

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know in terms of the self-consciousness

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there's nothing worse than saying your

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lines into a mirror that's the one way

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you're not supposed to rehearse anything

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because then you're only looking back so

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I really you really have to concentrate

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by blurring I'm trying to look past that

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reflection deeper into what you would

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theorize would be Mulder on the other

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side of that glass right so you're

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trying to establish that connection even

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though there was no there was nobody

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reading the lines back to me I was it

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was basically one long monologue which

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is why I could do it all in about 45

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minutes

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because it was like two or three takes

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do it in sections and and you're out of

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there so yeah so having a reflective

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glass really was a challenge for sure

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because and you know they said get close

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good the one direction was get closer to

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the camera so that light the they just

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gave me a sort of a light bar frame

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around my face so I was lit sort of

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flatly and if I went too far back I

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would immediately be too dark so I had

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to be forward leaning into a reflective

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mirror and get all the lines down not

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flub up well staring at yourself oh yeah

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that's it they don't teach him in drama

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school at all I was just gonna say yeah

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it's like every actors were sniper that

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they never prepared for well yeah that

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in green screen right like yes all these

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special effects now that you have to

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just run around a big green room with a

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couple boxes here there and and some guy

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chasing you with the next night that's a

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dinosaur right this is a you know all of

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that stuff

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I mean theater helps for that because

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often you'll work with the minimalist

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stage or if just a black box

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but but when you're supposed to be you

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know scared of a giant monster chasing

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you that's gonna be added later

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you really have to depend on your

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imagination on that one yeah exactly I

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mean I I have a good friend who was

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recently in the eye I won't say the name

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but a very large DC property movie and

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you know he's theater trained and that's

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how I yeah I knew him and I had I asked

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him I'm like man how did what was the

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hardest thing about you know performing

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in this this big budget you know

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superhero movie and he said exactly that

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it's a whole new breed of acting is he

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thinks green screen now so they actually

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teach classes just on how to act with

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green screen so yeah yeah and and and

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you could see at to where I didn't

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particularly earlier versions I can't

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remember there was one movie that it was

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like supposed to have a retro Superman

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feel to it but there you saw a lot of

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the actors getting lost in green screen

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technology and it was see and it's

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really obvious when it happens yeah very

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interesting well I mean stepping away

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from the filming just a little bit Dean

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I'd love to just touch briefly on the

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audio drama it's that you were part of

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as a theater trained actor I mean how

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was that process how was the experience

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doing that project that was actually

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really good I did it in here in Sydney

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and so I didn't have any of the other

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actors with me if there was a famous

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semi he's a really good voiceover actor

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here but trained in in London he was in

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39 steps yeah that long-running play on

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the West End the Alfred Hitchcock yeah

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yeah yeah yeah yeah they did it as a

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stage version but it was a comedy right

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I don't know if you saw that one I did

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actually worked at it in New York now

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that you mention it right small small

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world yeah side about 80 times yep red

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that was supposed to come from London to

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the New York one but they recast him

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with the New York actor yep that tends

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to happen yeah yeah so he read all the

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other parts and then I had a director

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who was patched in from Vancouver

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and my headphones and then we just sort

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of went as you do and you know I don't

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know if you've done any animation but

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it's often okay line 165 give me three

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takes a B and C and you're rolling there

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you go

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watch out watch out what's out okay

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we'll use B okay line 194 anything C go

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and so you have to piecemeal it like

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that right so so doing the books was

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kind of disconcerting but again because

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we knew the character so well and even

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with Brenda reading I knew exactly what

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it would sound like when it was

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completed so I really enjoyed the

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process a lot actually

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yeah it was very awesome to hear

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everyone's voices together again and

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like you said everyone was all over the

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world recording this so props to whoever

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edited and produced this thing it was

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incredible yeah yeah was he here

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Herculean feat for sure absolutely well

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I mean sort of moving away from of all

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that Dean I'd love to talk briefly about

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your documentary getting get back to

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UFOs what we know best here it's

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somewhere in this write your documentary

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the truth is out there you spoke to the

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late Roger Leir who is someone we all

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know in the UFO community but not many

534
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other people might know about and this

535
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guy worked with you know removing

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possible implants from people who

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claimed abductions I would love yeah if

538
00:23:31,350 --> 00:23:30,070
you would maybe give us a little just a

539
00:23:33,389 --> 00:23:31,360
little about what you think about the

540
00:23:36,180 --> 00:23:33,399
whole abduction phenomenon and how it

541
00:23:38,609 --> 00:23:36,190
was talking to Roger Leir well Roger and

542
00:23:40,470 --> 00:23:38,619
I knew each other before at that

543
00:23:43,350 --> 00:23:40,480
documentary through Jordan Maxwell

544
00:23:44,879 --> 00:23:43,360
Jordan I think advised a couple of the

545
00:23:49,529 --> 00:23:44,889
writers on the x-files on a couple

546
00:23:51,149 --> 00:23:49,539
things and so I would be going hey this

547
00:23:52,739 --> 00:23:51,159
is really great script this x-files

548
00:23:54,269 --> 00:23:52,749
where you getting this stuff like oh oh

549
00:23:57,239 --> 00:23:54,279
well you want to meet some of these guys

550
00:23:59,399 --> 00:23:57,249
and you know you should meet Jordan

551
00:24:01,230 --> 00:23:59,409
Maxwell you should be dr. Roger Leir so

552
00:24:03,269 --> 00:24:01,240
have lunch with these guys they're

553
00:24:06,090 --> 00:24:03,279
they're big fans of the show so they

554
00:24:08,100 --> 00:24:06,100
want to talk to me and then I go you

555
00:24:11,940 --> 00:24:08,110
know and then I learn about their

556
00:24:14,279 --> 00:24:11,950
research and stuff and so yeah dr. Roger

557
00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:14,289
Leir told me of the whole origin of how

558
00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:15,970
he got into it too he didn't believe in

559
00:24:21,810 --> 00:24:18,970
UFOs but there was a MUFON convention

560
00:24:23,700 --> 00:24:21,820
near his office one day and

561
00:24:26,010 --> 00:24:23,710
he walked in just to look around see

562
00:24:27,750 --> 00:24:26,020
what you know all this was and somebody

563
00:24:30,510 --> 00:24:27,760
recognized him right because he was kind

564
00:24:32,790 --> 00:24:30,520
of a famous podiatrist Johnny Carson

565
00:24:34,650 --> 00:24:32,800
Jerry Lewis where's all his clients I

566
00:24:36,990 --> 00:24:34,660
think oh oh hey you're that podiatrist

567
00:24:40,710 --> 00:24:37,000
hey you want to look at these x-rays of

568
00:24:42,390 --> 00:24:40,720
this abductee but he didn't know it she

569
00:24:43,650 --> 00:24:42,400
was an updated duck T of the times and

570
00:24:45,930 --> 00:24:43,660
just take a look at these x-rays tell us

571
00:24:48,990 --> 00:24:45,940
what you think and he saw between the

572
00:24:52,340 --> 00:24:49,000
big toe and the middle toe or the in the

573
00:24:55,830 --> 00:24:52,350
little middle tarsal area a an object

574
00:24:58,680 --> 00:24:55,840
maybe two millimeters long it's sort of

575
00:25:00,300 --> 00:24:58,690
a t-shaped thing and it looks like she

576
00:25:02,340 --> 00:25:00,310
stepped on a nail or something you know

577
00:25:05,030 --> 00:25:02,350
said oh yeah it looks like there's a

578
00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:05,040
foreign like piece of metal in there and

579
00:25:09,780 --> 00:25:08,050
yeah that's a pretty obvious yeah and

580
00:25:10,650 --> 00:25:09,790
then they go yeah but there's no scar on

581
00:25:12,570 --> 00:25:10,660
her foot

582
00:25:14,790 --> 00:25:12,580
I guess well that's impossible something

583
00:25:17,340 --> 00:25:14,800
that big would leave an incision or you

584
00:25:19,590 --> 00:25:17,350
know even if it's a sliver you would see

585
00:25:21,150 --> 00:25:19,600
where it went in and he looked at her

586
00:25:22,890 --> 00:25:21,160
foot she took off her shoe there at the

587
00:25:25,620 --> 00:25:22,900
MUFON convention and there was no

588
00:25:27,390 --> 00:25:25,630
scarring anywhere and so he couldn't

589
00:25:30,380 --> 00:25:27,400
believe that x-ray was up that foot so

590
00:25:33,750 --> 00:25:30,390
he said come into my office tomorrow and

591
00:25:35,670 --> 00:25:33,760
she comes in and sure enough looks

592
00:25:38,100 --> 00:25:35,680
around there's no scar and there's no

593
00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:38,110
evidence of anything of how that thing

594
00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:40,930
got in there so he's done many off foot

595
00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:43,210
operations before and puts her under

596
00:25:49,350 --> 00:25:45,970
general anesthetic and makes an incision

597
00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:49,360
and they're inside was this you know

598
00:25:53,490 --> 00:25:52,210
what he called a little t-shaped thing

599
00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:53,500
sort of wrapped in some sort of

600
00:25:59,550 --> 00:25:55,690
cheesecloth and the moment he took the

601
00:26:01,830 --> 00:25:59,560
tweezers to remove it as soon as he

602
00:26:04,980 --> 00:26:01,840
touched that thing she woke up out of

603
00:26:06,330 --> 00:26:04,990
anesthetic screaming all right no and

604
00:26:09,420 --> 00:26:06,340
it's never happened before

605
00:26:11,550 --> 00:26:09,430
so he you know reapplied and doubled the

606
00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:11,560
anesthesia put her under again and then

607
00:26:17,460 --> 00:26:14,650
removed the material that object and

608
00:26:20,460 --> 00:26:17,470
when he took a scalpel that he uses to

609
00:26:22,380 --> 00:26:20,470
cut bone so it's a bone scalpel when he

610
00:26:27,540 --> 00:26:22,390
tries to cut the cheesecloth the blade

611
00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:27,550
breaks he at that point he's now fall in

612
00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:31,650
oh yeah it yeah he sent it to a lab in

613
00:26:38,070 --> 00:26:35,290
San Antonio I think it was and the

614
00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:38,080
lab report came back that it was of rare

615
00:26:43,830 --> 00:26:41,650
and non-terrestrial medals of all things

616
00:26:47,460 --> 00:26:43,840
rare earth and non-terrestrial Wow

617
00:26:50,670 --> 00:26:47,470
medals I know so then this is like in

618
00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:50,680
the 80s right so late 80s early 90s this

619
00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:52,810
happened so there was a friend of his in

620
00:26:57,570 --> 00:26:55,210
San Francisco and he says oh this is it

621
00:26:59,340 --> 00:26:57,580
The Smoking Gun this is what we all were

622
00:27:01,620 --> 00:26:59,350
gonna do and back then it was the

623
00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:01,630
Internet was so yeah I was just bulletin

624
00:27:05,210 --> 00:27:03,250
boards at the time mm-hmm said we're

625
00:27:07,770 --> 00:27:05,220
gonna do a worldwide bulletin board

626
00:27:10,980 --> 00:27:07,780
announcement of this findings that

627
00:27:12,420 --> 00:27:10,990
you've done tell him this story and I'll

628
00:27:14,940 --> 00:27:12,430
set this whole thing up it'll take me

629
00:27:16,140 --> 00:27:14,950
about 48 hours to coordinate all around

630
00:27:18,690 --> 00:27:16,150
the world and we're gonna do this thing

631
00:27:20,940 --> 00:27:18,700
and as this guy in San Francisco is

632
00:27:24,270 --> 00:27:20,950
doing this sure enough a van pulls up

633
00:27:26,940 --> 00:27:24,280
he's thrown in guys totally men in black

634
00:27:29,850 --> 00:27:26,950
it's black suits they drive him around

635
00:27:31,770 --> 00:27:29,860
San Francisco for eight hours telling

636
00:27:34,940 --> 00:27:31,780
them what your friend found was just

637
00:27:37,470 --> 00:27:34,950
silicon nothing that was silicon and

638
00:27:38,490 --> 00:27:37,480
because he would drive it around for

639
00:27:40,530 --> 00:27:38,500
eight hours he missed all these

640
00:27:42,510 --> 00:27:40,540
deadlines for all these bulletin boards

641
00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:42,520
and when he got out he was so freaked

642
00:27:46,950 --> 00:27:44,650
out he called dodge rush alert says I'm

643
00:27:50,700 --> 00:27:46,960
out I'm not doing this anymore forget it

644
00:27:53,100 --> 00:27:50,710
and about an hour later the lab from San

645
00:27:55,950 --> 00:27:53,110
Antonio calls and says hey we made a

646
00:27:58,950 --> 00:27:55,960
mistake is silicon it's just silicon

647
00:28:01,230 --> 00:27:58,960
that thing you sent us and yeah and

648
00:28:04,050 --> 00:28:01,240
we're not sending it back either so he

649
00:28:06,750 --> 00:28:04,060
didn't get it back the first one and and

650
00:28:08,700 --> 00:28:06,760
that was that the then from that on he

651
00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:08,710
was full in doing this he said he

652
00:28:12,780 --> 00:28:11,290
removed about another twenty one in his

653
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:12,790
lifetime some of them were you know just

654
00:28:16,500 --> 00:28:14,650
pieces of wood some of them were

655
00:28:19,980 --> 00:28:16,510
actually just slavers and stuff like

656
00:28:22,170 --> 00:28:19,990
that but yeah he had become a specialist

657
00:28:24,090 --> 00:28:22,180
in removing alien implants it's that

658
00:28:25,620 --> 00:28:24,100
it's a fascinating sort of journey that

659
00:28:28,290 --> 00:28:25,630
I think someone like Roger little went

660
00:28:30,690 --> 00:28:28,300
on fighting physical evidence to this

661
00:28:35,130 --> 00:28:30,700
phenomenon it's something that is very

662
00:28:37,410 --> 00:28:35,140
very rare it's such a hypothetical topic

663
00:28:38,790 --> 00:28:37,420
phenomenon to begin with so to have

664
00:28:40,860 --> 00:28:38,800
someone actually looking for hard

665
00:28:43,290 --> 00:28:40,870
evidence all the respect in the world

666
00:28:45,470 --> 00:28:43,300
for the late Roger Leir at this point

667
00:28:47,930 --> 00:28:45,480
yeah

668
00:28:50,060 --> 00:28:47,940
I mean we all know you know sort of Dean

669
00:28:53,299 --> 00:28:50,070
at this point that the x-files did use a

670
00:28:56,210 --> 00:28:53,309
lot of actual case material or had

671
00:28:57,860 --> 00:28:56,220
people on set you know sort of advising

672
00:28:59,509 --> 00:28:57,870
in terms of when it came to how the

673
00:29:03,649 --> 00:28:59,519
military might have been involved with

674
00:29:05,990 --> 00:29:03,659
this or obviously the FBI right did you

675
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:06,000
ever come across anything I guess while

676
00:29:12,049 --> 00:29:09,450
filming or in the script or even with

677
00:29:13,970 --> 00:29:12,059
lone gunman in terms of that if you if

678
00:29:16,100 --> 00:29:13,980
like the conspiracy

679
00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:16,110
you know correlated a little too closely

680
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:18,090
with what you guys were working on we

681
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:20,730
all know the whole 9/11 thing I know

682
00:29:25,820 --> 00:29:24,330
that's a great example absolute but but

683
00:29:27,919 --> 00:29:25,830
that was just I think that was a weird

684
00:29:31,310 --> 00:29:27,929
coincidence if you're saying that you

685
00:29:33,289 --> 00:29:31,320
know I've had like when I did when I I

686
00:29:34,820 --> 00:29:33,299
still do stand-up but I was touring a

687
00:29:36,830 --> 00:29:34,830
lot well the show was on the air and

688
00:29:39,740 --> 00:29:36,840
people would come to my comedy shows all

689
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:39,750
around North America and after the shows

690
00:29:44,090 --> 00:29:42,690
sometimes there'd be like you know I

691
00:29:46,100 --> 00:29:44,100
work for the FBI

692
00:29:48,470 --> 00:29:46,110
you wouldn't come by the office you know

693
00:29:51,289 --> 00:29:48,480
I went to the San Antonio office and got

694
00:29:53,180 --> 00:29:51,299
to sit in the head FBI or NOAA was in

695
00:29:55,970 --> 00:29:53,190
San Antonio was al Paso you know so

696
00:29:59,629 --> 00:29:55,980
there's pictures of me in Kevlar vests

697
00:30:02,120 --> 00:29:59,639
and I mean FBI stuff and and those guys

698
00:30:03,830 --> 00:30:02,130
would say so these stories particularly

699
00:30:05,330 --> 00:30:03,840
and they would like say an episode stuff

700
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:05,340
like this and where'd that information

701
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:08,010
come from and then I go I'll and all the

702
00:30:13,700 --> 00:30:11,610
writers wrote it ah yeah okay and I go

703
00:30:15,409 --> 00:30:13,710
why is it closed well we can't say you

704
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:15,419
so they would never tell me exactly what

705
00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:18,690
was co-relating so closely but they were

706
00:30:23,450 --> 00:30:20,490
curious enough to actually specify

707
00:30:26,450 --> 00:30:23,460
specific examples and specific episodes

708
00:30:31,759 --> 00:30:26,460
to go how did you get that information

709
00:30:35,090 --> 00:30:31,769
so either it is just luck of the writers

710
00:30:37,730 --> 00:30:35,100
or you know somehow some classified

711
00:30:40,820 --> 00:30:37,740
information got onto the airwaves right

712
00:30:43,129 --> 00:30:40,830
well I mean we recently heard Chris

713
00:30:45,019 --> 00:30:43,139
Carter's comments on this Dean so I

714
00:30:47,060 --> 00:30:45,029
would love to know if you have been

715
00:30:49,700 --> 00:30:47,070
following this story at all the whole

716
00:30:51,950 --> 00:30:49,710
know the Pentagon story here in the

717
00:30:55,190 --> 00:30:51,960
United States with the secret UFO

718
00:30:57,289 --> 00:30:55,200
program oh yes at all

719
00:30:58,430 --> 00:30:57,299
no I haven't I just heard about it on

720
00:31:00,530 --> 00:30:58,440
another

721
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:00,540
Podcast guy told me about it that they

722
00:31:05,780 --> 00:31:02,370
just yeah have admitted that they've

723
00:31:07,909 --> 00:31:05,790
been tracking UFOs for years twenty two

724
00:31:11,990 --> 00:31:07,919
million dollars they've spent on this

725
00:31:16,070 --> 00:31:12,000
and yeah and they're a hook-up on it and

726
00:31:18,260 --> 00:31:16,080
of course you know yeah I think of mr.

727
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:18,270
Steve Bassett and the disclosure project

728
00:31:23,690 --> 00:31:21,210
the idea being that if there's aliens

729
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:23,700
out there trying to contact the human

730
00:31:29,810 --> 00:31:26,250
race this information should not be

731
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:29,820
classified if it's gonna you know move

732
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:32,610
the evolution of the species forward

733
00:31:39,260 --> 00:31:36,330
it's it's goes beyond the need for

734
00:31:41,299 --> 00:31:39,270
secrecy and you know one country's

735
00:31:43,789 --> 00:31:41,309
espionage against another sort of things

736
00:31:46,210 --> 00:31:43,799
yeah which I agree absolutely it's an

737
00:31:50,150 --> 00:31:46,220
interesting sociological thing I think

738
00:31:53,390 --> 00:31:50,160
yeah for sure because you know as but as

739
00:31:54,530 --> 00:31:53,400
Richard Dolan said okay so if the

740
00:31:57,350 --> 00:31:54,540
government comes out tomorrow and says

741
00:32:01,220 --> 00:31:57,360
yes there's aliens and UFOs are real two

742
00:32:03,530 --> 00:32:01,230
things how did the keep it secret for so

743
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:03,540
long and how did the press be so

744
00:32:10,190 --> 00:32:07,650
complicit in this so Richard Dolan and I

745
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:10,200
he's in the documentary as well and you

746
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:13,130
know I think specifically is our

747
00:32:19,610 --> 00:32:15,690
sociological is our society so fragile

748
00:32:21,830 --> 00:32:19,620
that just the sheer realization that

749
00:32:24,260 --> 00:32:21,840
aliens are real would that cause us all

750
00:32:28,549 --> 00:32:24,270
to collapse and he said absolutely would

751
00:32:31,130 --> 00:32:28,559
go completely Anarchy crazy like really

752
00:32:34,340 --> 00:32:31,140
can imagine but but he seems to think

753
00:32:37,460 --> 00:32:34,350
that this is why all the secrecy kept in

754
00:32:41,900 --> 00:32:37,470
place because of the fragile nature of

755
00:32:45,049 --> 00:32:41,910
the sociological fragility of the whole

756
00:32:48,650 --> 00:32:45,059
system so I think it's more robust than

757
00:32:52,370 --> 00:32:48,660
that but but he seems to from his

758
00:32:54,380 --> 00:32:52,380
research you know and he's a learned PhD

759
00:32:56,900 --> 00:32:54,390
so I'm not gonna argue with him on that

760
00:33:00,740 --> 00:32:56,910
one that's a tough fight yeah I mean I

761
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:00,750
don't actually published my book so I do

762
00:33:07,100 --> 00:33:03,570
have I do have some of a somewhat of a

763
00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:07,110
it allegiance to the man but I do I

764
00:33:10,700 --> 00:33:08,850
would take him to task on that as well

765
00:33:11,810 --> 00:33:10,710
Dean saying that the entire society

766
00:33:14,330 --> 00:33:11,820
would crumble

767
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:14,340
I mean as a historian himself he's

768
00:33:17,990 --> 00:33:15,650
probably seen this throughout history

769
00:33:19,910 --> 00:33:18,000
societies crumbling when things happen

770
00:33:22,190 --> 00:33:19,920
and then being rebuilt something like

771
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:22,200
this I do wonder it would be so paradigm

772
00:33:26,300 --> 00:33:24,330
shifting but again we always hear that

773
00:33:27,890 --> 00:33:26,310
idea that you know the world would go on

774
00:33:30,500 --> 00:33:27,900
we got to go to our job the next day

775
00:33:32,900 --> 00:33:30,510
even if we knew there were aliens out

776
00:33:35,270 --> 00:33:32,910
there so it's facet yeah it's

777
00:33:37,580 --> 00:33:35,280
fascinating and so and then this is also

778
00:33:40,100 --> 00:33:37,590
the argument of why there's you know so

779
00:33:43,370 --> 00:33:40,110
many TV shows that have aliens in them

780
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:43,380
is like oh we're slowly being broached

781
00:33:48,230 --> 00:33:45,450
on the idea that there one day we'll

782
00:33:50,030 --> 00:33:48,240
walk amongst us and you know we're gonna

783
00:33:51,860 --> 00:33:50,040
be fine with it just like all these TV

784
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:51,870
shows have been fine with it you know

785
00:33:57,620 --> 00:33:54,570
that it's not 1950s

786
00:33:59,810 --> 00:33:57,630
we gotta zap them with guns and you know

787
00:34:02,750 --> 00:33:59,820
and were the world's kind of thing right

788
00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:02,760
right that's a good point too yeah well

789
00:34:05,930 --> 00:34:04,290
I'm gonna have sort of put you on the

790
00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:05,940
spot here Dean I have to add you know as

791
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:08,130
we're sort of wrapping things up in all

792
00:34:13,060 --> 00:34:10,770
of your time with the x-files in the

793
00:34:15,770 --> 00:34:13,070
Lone Gunmen what is the most memorable

794
00:34:18,020 --> 00:34:15,780
moment that you can say you had where it

795
00:34:21,340 --> 00:34:18,030
was like this is it this is why I did

796
00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:21,350
all of this for so long yeah you know

797
00:34:29,060 --> 00:34:24,450
it's hard to single one out it was also

798
00:34:30,860 --> 00:34:29,070
fun and you know there's oddly lots of

799
00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:30,870
laughs on set

800
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:33,090
considering how dark the show was yes

801
00:34:37,070 --> 00:34:35,490
it's a it was always like hi we're

802
00:34:38,210 --> 00:34:37,080
having really a great time and then when

803
00:34:41,780 --> 00:34:38,220
you see it all cut together it's like

804
00:34:44,420 --> 00:34:41,790
wow this is this tone is way darker than

805
00:34:46,430 --> 00:34:44,430
what fun we were having on set but you

806
00:34:49,190 --> 00:34:46,440
know it's really been the fan

807
00:34:51,140 --> 00:34:49,200
interaction that has been most memorable

808
00:34:55,190 --> 00:34:51,150
you know some real close friendships

809
00:34:57,980 --> 00:34:55,200
have developed from it being able to go

810
00:35:01,090 --> 00:34:57,990
anywhere in the world literally like

811
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:01,100
just moving to Sydney and not having a

812
00:35:06,770 --> 00:35:04,650
you know misses step as it were having

813
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:06,780
lots of friends down here that's been

814
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:08,370
amazing to no matter where you go in the

815
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:10,290
world somebody's gonna know you or know

816
00:35:14,690 --> 00:35:11,130
about you anyway

817
00:35:19,250 --> 00:35:14,700
but yes probably the most memorable was

818
00:35:21,500 --> 00:35:19,260
the week we shot the first episode that

819
00:35:23,450 --> 00:35:21,510
was just a lone gunman because David was

820
00:35:25,670 --> 00:35:23,460
shooting some movie down in Los Angeles

821
00:35:27,950 --> 00:35:25,680
and Gillian was going to be stuck

822
00:35:31,700 --> 00:35:27,960
in London for two more weeks at the

823
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:31,710
beginning of season five so they said

824
00:35:36,109 --> 00:35:33,690
well what do we do I think oh well let's

825
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:36,119
do it all lone gunman origin episode so

826
00:35:41,930 --> 00:35:39,210
they shot they groped unusual suspects

827
00:35:45,470 --> 00:35:41,940
and it was just the three of us leading

828
00:35:50,089 --> 00:35:45,480
the thing and we got the big trailer Tom

829
00:35:52,309 --> 00:35:50,099
brought his video game system and we sat

830
00:35:54,740 --> 00:35:52,319
all we shared one trailer so it was like

831
00:35:57,109 --> 00:35:54,750
the dorm room I never had yeah no and it

832
00:36:00,079 --> 00:35:57,119
was really fun and that was such a fun

833
00:36:02,180 --> 00:36:00,089
episode too so I'd say that was probably

834
00:36:05,750 --> 00:36:02,190
the one that sort of encapsulated how

835
00:36:08,630 --> 00:36:05,760
the fun the hard work for sure you know

836
00:36:09,890 --> 00:36:08,640
staying up till all hours watching the

837
00:36:13,579 --> 00:36:09,900
Sun Rise

838
00:36:16,549 --> 00:36:13,589
cuz you shot all night and and then the

839
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:16,559
satisfaction to of having a really great

840
00:36:22,460 --> 00:36:18,930
episode come out of it oh my god I mean

841
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:22,470
I I can admit I probably watched it four

842
00:36:28,609 --> 00:36:26,010
days ago it's it's one that you just

843
00:36:31,010 --> 00:36:28,619
always land on when you're when you're

844
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:31,020
watching re watching the x-files it's

845
00:36:35,390 --> 00:36:33,210
like you know I gotta watch a Darin

846
00:36:37,309 --> 00:36:35,400
Morgan one and then I gotta go back to

847
00:36:39,530 --> 00:36:37,319
the Lone Gunmen it's just such a well

848
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:39,540
crafted episode and whenever the x-files

849
00:36:44,839 --> 00:36:42,450
did go back to origin I thought that was

850
00:36:46,490 --> 00:36:44,849
some of the best work they did so I know

851
00:36:47,930 --> 00:36:46,500
we're gonna get one for mr. Skinner

852
00:36:50,359 --> 00:36:47,940
coming up soon so that'll be exciting

853
00:36:52,940 --> 00:36:50,369
but that will be excited yeah I'm

854
00:36:55,250 --> 00:36:52,950
interested to see that one I am too well

855
00:36:57,200 --> 00:36:55,260
in terms of Gillian Anderson we did

856
00:36:59,809 --> 00:36:57,210
point out earlier that she said this is

857
00:37:02,240 --> 00:36:59,819
it for her man she is done I get it I

858
00:37:05,030 --> 00:37:02,250
respect that as a as an actor that she

859
00:37:07,549 --> 00:37:05,040
wants to move on so I have to ask you do

860
00:37:11,599 --> 00:37:07,559
you think this is the end of the x-files

861
00:37:16,490 --> 00:37:11,609
on television gosh you know maybe in

862
00:37:21,220 --> 00:37:16,500
this incarnation but it seems that all

863
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:21,230
the writing is trying to frame something

864
00:37:27,500 --> 00:37:25,410
so that it can carry on now to say that

865
00:37:30,740 --> 00:37:27,510
this is already planned and in the works

866
00:37:33,470 --> 00:37:30,750
of course not because executive is that

867
00:37:35,329 --> 00:37:33,480
Fox now Disney now that we're

868
00:37:39,380 --> 00:37:35,339
technically a Disney product that's

869
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:39,390
crazy that's crazy to write so Scully's

870
00:37:50,620 --> 00:37:45,170
now indeed a Disney Princess you I guess

871
00:37:57,380 --> 00:37:55,490
the so yeah I guess those decisions like

872
00:37:59,500 --> 00:37:57,390
anything the way we consume

873
00:38:03,500 --> 00:37:59,510
entertainment now has changed the way

874
00:38:05,720 --> 00:38:03,510
executives look now at licensing and

875
00:38:08,180 --> 00:38:05,730
products you're looking for product

876
00:38:10,460 --> 00:38:08,190
locomotives now you know this term so

877
00:38:12,980 --> 00:38:10,470
you don't look for a movie script you're

878
00:38:16,519 --> 00:38:12,990
looking for a locomotive that can drive

879
00:38:20,329 --> 00:38:16,529
the world so that you can hook TV shows

880
00:38:22,370 --> 00:38:20,339
movies action figures comic books so

881
00:38:26,089 --> 00:38:22,380
that it can all sit on a platform right

882
00:38:28,099 --> 00:38:26,099
so that's the DC Universe is that Star

883
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:28,109
Wars is that Harry Potter is that you

884
00:38:31,549 --> 00:38:29,490
have these certain worlds that are

885
00:38:35,329 --> 00:38:31,559
created beg you then go out of your way

886
00:38:36,890 --> 00:38:35,339
- then do multi-level franchising you

887
00:38:40,130 --> 00:38:36,900
know nobody just makes movies anymore

888
00:38:42,890 --> 00:38:40,140
right my point right so is the x-files

889
00:38:46,940 --> 00:38:42,900
potentially a product locomotive I think

890
00:38:49,759 --> 00:38:46,950
it is will they want to and is chris

891
00:38:52,490 --> 00:38:49,769
carter willing then to have disney do

892
00:38:55,430 --> 00:38:52,500
their product locomotive machine on it

893
00:38:57,380 --> 00:38:55,440
we'll wait and see but potentially it's

894
00:38:59,809 --> 00:38:57,390
there for sure yeah well you know what

895
00:39:03,019 --> 00:38:59,819
man you got my money cross-gartered

896
00:39:05,140 --> 00:39:03,029
disney fox whoever i will see i would

897
00:39:07,249 --> 00:39:05,150
consume whatever they give me

898
00:39:09,049 --> 00:39:07,259
fantastic that includes something i know

899
00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:09,059
you're working on you can't talk much

900
00:39:13,700 --> 00:39:11,130
about it Dean I understand but you are

901
00:39:16,370 --> 00:39:13,710
working on a graphic novel this is so

902
00:39:18,829 --> 00:39:16,380
cool man anything you can give us even

903
00:39:21,289 --> 00:39:18,839
just like you know when to maybe expect

904
00:39:23,870 --> 00:39:21,299
it what it might be a little bit about

905
00:39:28,190 --> 00:39:23,880
what do you got for us Wow let's see I

906
00:39:30,620 --> 00:39:28,200
I'm side saying may okay it's gonna be

907
00:39:34,279 --> 00:39:30,630
completed now this has been four years

908
00:39:35,329 --> 00:39:34,289
in the works and of course it's gunman

909
00:39:38,240 --> 00:39:35,339
relaid it

910
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:38,250
however because of you know every time

911
00:39:44,210 --> 00:39:41,490
Glenn or Chris writes something then I

912
00:39:46,370 --> 00:39:44,220
have to change up my writing a bit so

913
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:46,380
that you know so I've gone back and

914
00:39:53,210 --> 00:39:49,890
rewrote the thing more than once so it's

915
00:39:55,190 --> 00:39:53,220
gonna be cool and it's gonna be

916
00:39:57,079 --> 00:39:55,200
I'll turn it timeline but I'm I'm

917
00:39:59,089 --> 00:39:57,089
writing and drawing it myself

918
00:40:00,829 --> 00:39:59,099
hence why it's taking so bloody long to

919
00:40:03,710 --> 00:40:00,839
get it done so everybody who contributed

920
00:40:06,170 --> 00:40:03,720
on my Kickstarter four years ago don't

921
00:40:08,089 --> 00:40:06,180
worry it's common and I'm gonna make it

922
00:40:10,220 --> 00:40:08,099
happen and I have everybody's email

923
00:40:12,349 --> 00:40:10,230
address from four years ago I hope you

924
00:40:14,750 --> 00:40:12,359
haven't changed it yeah yeah I'm sure

925
00:40:16,190 --> 00:40:14,760
nobody as well you know be worth the

926
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:16,200
wait I have no thank you

927
00:40:21,559 --> 00:40:19,410
thank you so much well in terms of the

928
00:40:23,329 --> 00:40:21,569
podcast where can we find the topic

929
00:40:26,089 --> 00:40:23,339
Hollywood hour what is the show about

930
00:40:26,450 --> 00:40:26,099
Dean I've been listening for a long time

931
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:26,460
now

932
00:40:29,720 --> 00:40:28,170
for any of our listeners who haven't

933
00:40:33,079 --> 00:40:29,730
yeah please let us know what it's about

934
00:40:36,470 --> 00:40:33,089
well it's you know we talked about

935
00:40:38,420 --> 00:40:36,480
movies but also sociological stuff

936
00:40:41,030 --> 00:40:38,430
there's always celebrity death in there

937
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:41,040
we do school closures okay talk about

938
00:40:48,740 --> 00:40:44,970
anything and the you can find it that

939
00:40:52,460 --> 00:40:48,750
chill pact Hollywood calm or we're on

940
00:40:56,089 --> 00:40:52,470
Facebook iTunes anywhere you can follow

941
00:40:59,000 --> 00:40:56,099
us on our Twitter at Dean and Phil spell

942
00:41:02,839 --> 00:40:59,010
out the word end because Phil lair ness

943
00:41:05,240 --> 00:41:02,849
who used to have an office beside my

944
00:41:07,130 --> 00:41:05,250
production office and every morning we'd

945
00:41:08,569 --> 00:41:07,140
sit around the water cooler yakking

946
00:41:10,010 --> 00:41:08,579
about movies or whatever and our

947
00:41:12,890 --> 00:41:10,020
assistant thought it was really

948
00:41:14,150 --> 00:41:12,900
fascinating loved listening in said why

949
00:41:15,950 --> 00:41:14,160
don't you guys start recording that and

950
00:41:18,290 --> 00:41:15,960
just putting it up as a podcast they

951
00:41:21,559 --> 00:41:18,300
were like well okay and that's how that

952
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:21,569
show started so basically it's our our

953
00:41:27,579 --> 00:41:24,930
water-cooler chat of our week and it's

954
00:41:30,890 --> 00:41:27,589
been going on for 11 years now

955
00:41:32,569 --> 00:41:30,900
absolutely free I know every Monday for

956
00:41:35,390 --> 00:41:32,579
11 years can you imagine

957
00:41:38,750 --> 00:41:35,400
that's insane I had the dedication is

958
00:41:40,250 --> 00:41:38,760
just I'm unlike episode 39 and I'm

959
00:41:45,170 --> 00:41:40,260
playing right I've got like a noose

960
00:41:47,390 --> 00:41:45,180
around my neck so I respect that and it

961
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:47,400
takes a love for it to do it for that

962
00:41:53,720 --> 00:41:49,410
long so I'm sure it's it's a pleasure

963
00:41:55,130 --> 00:41:53,730
every week well you know we just

964
00:41:57,050 --> 00:41:55,140
produced a new movie called The

965
00:41:58,700 --> 00:41:57,060
Ladykillers which is doing the festivals

966
00:42:00,770 --> 00:41:58,710
right now we're working on other

967
00:42:02,720 --> 00:42:00,780
projects so it's also we have our

968
00:42:05,089 --> 00:42:02,730
production meeting on the air as it were

969
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:05,099
so we're talking about not just movies

970
00:42:09,720 --> 00:42:06,610
we saw what we're reading

971
00:42:11,610 --> 00:42:09,730
things that are influencing us stories

972
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:11,620
out there you know we're a lot on this

973
00:42:18,450 --> 00:42:14,770
the me to talk Phil is a violence

974
00:42:22,460 --> 00:42:18,460
prevention specialist who has been

975
00:42:24,240 --> 00:42:22,470
trained in that so a lot of the ideas of

976
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:24,250
misogyny and stuff like that are

977
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:27,970
discussed and every Monday somehow show

978
00:42:31,890 --> 00:42:30,610
magically gets on the air that's awesome

979
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:31,900
and well again

980
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:34,690
loyal listener so everyone go check that

981
00:42:39,030 --> 00:42:37,210
out and as a recent transplant to LA

982
00:42:40,950 --> 00:42:39,040
from New York City I'm always looking

983
00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:40,960
I'm always looking for stuff to do and I

984
00:42:45,030 --> 00:42:43,090
heard you've got an installation going

985
00:42:47,490 --> 00:42:45,040
on here man yeah I can we look for that

986
00:42:49,980 --> 00:42:47,500
here in LA well this is I had an art

987
00:42:53,550 --> 00:42:49,990
show at the Fine Arts Building on 7th

988
00:42:56,490 --> 00:42:53,560
Street in downtown LA my artwork when I

989
00:42:58,830 --> 00:42:56,500
was in LA and when I get back I give

990
00:43:01,350 --> 00:42:58,840
tours maybe Ryan you want to go on this

991
00:43:04,950 --> 00:43:01,360
tour it's of the historical vaudeville

992
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:04,960
houses and and movie palaces the largest

993
00:43:10,290 --> 00:43:06,970
collection of on Broadway twelve blocks

994
00:43:11,670 --> 00:43:10,300
long and so I do a walking tour hour and

995
00:43:15,180 --> 00:43:11,680
a half walking tour of downtown Los

996
00:43:17,250 --> 00:43:15,190
Angeles and all of the really gorgeous

997
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:17,260
movie theaters I paint it each one of

998
00:43:23,220 --> 00:43:19,810
them and put them in a book which you

999
00:43:26,670 --> 00:43:23,230
can get off my website and that those

1000
00:43:29,190 --> 00:43:26,680
those pieces of art are now up at a

1001
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:29,200
salon in the eastern Columbia building

1002
00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:31,930
right at ninth and Broadway and if you

1003
00:43:39,810 --> 00:43:35,650
go to art meets architecture com4 you

1004
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:39,820
can call to get a private viewing it's

1005
00:43:44,250 --> 00:43:42,610
by appointment only so it's on the ninth

1006
00:43:46,050 --> 00:43:44,260
floor you have to get past security at

1007
00:43:49,020 --> 00:43:46,060
all that sort of thing so if you want to

1008
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:49,030
see my artwork you can just by going to

1009
00:43:54,630 --> 00:43:52,570
art beats architecture and call to make

1010
00:43:57,240 --> 00:43:54,640
an appointment that's awesome and I mean

1011
00:44:00,480 --> 00:43:57,250
I literally was walking past the Orpheum

1012
00:44:02,820 --> 00:44:00,490
I believe yes maybe 20 minutes before we

1013
00:44:05,940 --> 00:44:02,830
started recording and you know all of

1014
00:44:09,180 --> 00:44:05,950
these beautiful venues are now Urban

1015
00:44:11,010 --> 00:44:09,190
Outfitters or a star so to know that you

1016
00:44:13,050 --> 00:44:11,020
captured them in their prime in their

1017
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:13,060
essence that's amazing I'll definitely

1018
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:15,370
be signing up for that very soon

1019
00:44:20,340 --> 00:44:19,210
probably when we exit yeah you know it's

1020
00:44:22,380 --> 00:44:20,350
really fascinating

1021
00:44:24,270 --> 00:44:22,390
it's kind of hard if you're just walking

1022
00:44:26,820 --> 00:44:24,280
down Broadway you got to have people

1023
00:44:28,410 --> 00:44:26,830
actually you don't stop and point this

1024
00:44:30,810 --> 00:44:28,420
stuff out because some of its so close

1025
00:44:33,990 --> 00:44:30,820
together yeah and some of these elements

1026
00:44:38,970 --> 00:44:34,000
are kind of it's overwhelming the amount

1027
00:44:41,790 --> 00:44:38,980
of detail and and stuff to see so so

1028
00:44:45,270 --> 00:44:41,800
when I give a tour it's you got to stop

1029
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:45,280
you your frame you go okay I'm pointing

1030
00:44:48,240 --> 00:44:46,810
your attention across the street to this

1031
00:44:49,980 --> 00:44:48,250
building now everybody look at this

1032
00:44:52,860 --> 00:44:49,990
here's a great story of what happened

1033
00:44:54,720 --> 00:44:52,870
here in the 20s or and you know and then

1034
00:44:58,770 --> 00:44:54,730
I will carry my iPad and we'll actually

1035
00:45:00,810 --> 00:44:58,780
have clips from silent films like the

1036
00:45:02,990 --> 00:45:00,820
location and then show you the building

1037
00:45:05,340 --> 00:45:03,000
that it was filmed on you know like the

1038
00:45:07,860 --> 00:45:05,350
like when Harold Lloyd's hanging from

1039
00:45:10,110 --> 00:45:07,870
the clock and safety last that famous

1040
00:45:12,690 --> 00:45:10,120
shot that building is still on Broadway

1041
00:45:14,730 --> 00:45:12,700
the clock is was a set piece but the

1042
00:45:16,410 --> 00:45:14,740
buildings there that's a made a frame of

1043
00:45:20,190 --> 00:45:16,420
reference is always needed that's

1044
00:45:23,130 --> 00:45:20,200
awesome yeah yeah totally yeah so enjoy

1045
00:45:25,770 --> 00:45:23,140
that we go I think the books for sale

1046
00:45:29,810 --> 00:45:25,780
off my Facebook page too but definitely

1047
00:45:32,700 --> 00:45:29,820
a Dean Haglund calm you can buy the book

1048
00:45:35,580 --> 00:45:32,710
my comic book wide long gamma was

1049
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:35,590
cancelled is there in digital form 8 by

1050
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:38,490
Ken solid that stuff Dean Haglund calm

1051
00:45:43,100 --> 00:45:41,170
perfect a very interesting story indeed

1052
00:45:45,990 --> 00:45:43,110
why the little gunman was cancelled so

1053
00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:46,000
definitely check that out too well Dean

1054
00:45:51,090 --> 00:45:48,610
this past week's episode of the x-files

1055
00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:51,100
it was an indication of where we are

1056
00:45:56,130 --> 00:45:53,890
both story wise and you know finding the

1057
00:45:57,570 --> 00:45:56,140
true essence of the x-files again and I

1058
00:45:59,870 --> 00:45:57,580
can't wait to see where the show might

1059
00:46:03,060 --> 00:45:59,880
be heading and in what many consider

1060
00:46:05,610 --> 00:46:03,070
maybe final installment who knows but

1061
00:46:07,350 --> 00:46:05,620
knows I'm also super excited to see what

1062
00:46:09,900 --> 00:46:07,360
you've got going on in and out of the

1063
00:46:12,090 --> 00:46:09,910
x-files in Lone Gunmen so again thank

1064
00:46:14,220 --> 00:46:12,100
you for joining me today on somebody run

1065
00:46:18,030 --> 00:46:14,230
exciting news I learned today the

1066
00:46:20,460 --> 00:46:18,040
podcast is now available on Spotify so

1067
00:46:22,710 --> 00:46:20,470
if you can please take a moment to head

1068
00:46:25,830 --> 00:46:22,720
on over there and subscribe rate and

1069
00:46:29,220 --> 00:46:25,840
review the show we're also available on

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all major podcast platforms and always

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at the website somewhere in the skies

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come while at the website you can also

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contact me with any guests or topic

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suggestions or to order my book

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somewhere in the skies a human approach

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to an alien phenomenon the show is on

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Twitter at summer skies and on Instagram

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at somewhere skies pod I will see you

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here next Monday and remember keep your

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feet on the ground but never stop

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searching somewhere in the skies also

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the truth is out there

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